r/terriblefacebookmemes • u/BadgerDC1 • Mar 26 '23
From an anti woke account with title “Why does it matter if the actor playing a white character is black?”
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u/Vv__CARBON__vV Mar 26 '23
Anthony Hopkins as Mandela would be the only acceptable casting here.
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u/Negative_Method_1001 Mar 26 '23
I would be okay with Ryan Gosling starring as Obama in the biopic if they race-swapped EVERYONE. Jamie Foxx as Trump. Laurence Fishburne as Joe Biden. Nick Cannon as Mitt Romney.
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u/Martyisruling Mar 27 '23
If SNL was relevant, they would be doing this every week.
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u/nerdherdsman Mar 27 '23
SNL is as relevant or irrelevant as it has pretty much always been and they have already done this.
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u/Zlock96 Mar 27 '23
It's crazy that they couldn't even think of 6 black people
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u/LordShrekOgre Mar 27 '23
Maybe it’s a different Obama, the British version
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u/roygbivasaur Mar 27 '23
Fun fact, the British version is the original, but it only ran for 2 series.
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u/piratensendr Mar 26 '23
You mean like white Jesus?
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u/mr_toad_1997 Mar 27 '23
Are Jewish people white? I think they are
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u/ConstantMortgage Mar 27 '23
European Jews are. Ethiopian jews, Moroccan jews, Indian jews, Yemeni jews are not.
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u/VonKotsch Mar 27 '23
Damn I hate your, American, way of divining people into races. Indian people, Moroccan people, Yemeni people are part of Caucasian (Europioid) race, as well as Spanish, Persian, Arabic...
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u/ConstantMortgage Mar 27 '23
Not American first of all and what you're suggesting is that everyone that isn't black African is Caucasian which makes no sense whatsoever.
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u/olrusty42 Mar 27 '23
Jewish people are not exclusively white, and if you think Jesus was I encourage you to look into what people from Jerusalem look like. they are basically middle eastern
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u/Pockets262 Mar 27 '23
There's no proof Jesus even existed. And AFAIK nobody has ever changed the race of a real historical figure. They're upset about mermaids, because they're racist.
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u/mr_toad_1997 Mar 27 '23
Jesus was a real person, whether he was the Son Of God or not
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u/Pockets262 Mar 27 '23
There's no proof, though. It's not guaranteed like the people in these fake movie posters. Many people believe it, sure. Many people believe the earth is flat. Therefore, it does not relate to this particular post.
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u/mr_toad_1997 Mar 27 '23
I’m too lazy to look them up, but there are historical Roman records of a Jewish separatist preacher that have been crucified.
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u/AwooFloof Mar 27 '23
There are references made by Tacitus, Josephus, Lucian, and even the Babylonian Talmud.
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u/pluralism8 Mar 27 '23
While there are some scholars who maintain that the Talmud contains references Jesus, this is not widely accepted. Moreover, many of the most commonly cited "references to Jesus" in the Talmud are dubious and rely on selective readings of and assumptions about the text, and, like many attacks on the Talmud, are often entirely fabricated and largely popularized by antisemites seeking to demonize Jews. As some of the other replies here show, antisemites have done a good job spreading this misinformation.
For example, while it is generally accepted that "Jesus" is Greek version version of the Hebrew name "Yeshu" or "Yeshua," which would be "Joshua" in English, that does not mean that any reference to someone name Yeshua in rabbinic texts is Jesus. Joshua has been and continues to be a very common Jewish name to this day. There are a great many figures in the Talmud named Yeshua so more evidence is needed to support the claim that a specific "Yeshu" or "Yeshua" means Jesus in any particular instance. Or, as Rabbi Yechiel said to King Louis IX when he notoriously put the Talmud on trial in the 13th century: “not every Louis born in France is king.”
Picking and choosing bits from a bunch of different stories in the Talmud about people named "Joshua" can make it seem like it's one big story pointing to Jesus ("this one may have been from Nazareth," "this one was executed near Passover," etc.) , but that does not make it true. Once we take into account the other parts of those stories, like the years the people lived and the circumstances of their deaths ("this one died decades before Jesus' birth," "this one was born decades after Jesus' death," "none of them were crucified," etc.), it becomes quite obvious these are not references to Jesus.
All that having been said, there is more than enough evidence to support the historicity of Jesus. The Talmud just doesn't provide any.
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u/AwooFloof Mar 27 '23
I'll have to dig further into my study of the Talmud (just starting) but thanks for the info.
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u/Pockets262 Mar 27 '23
Yea, still just words on paper. There are equal chances he did and did not exist. We can't even be sure the New Testament is an accurate copy of the originals. Can you say that about Obama or Ali? It's not complicated, Jesus being played by a white person isn't comparable to this shitty meme.
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u/mr_toad_1997 Mar 27 '23
I wasn’t talking about the meme, I was saying that Jesus of Nazareth was a real historical person.
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u/Pockets262 Mar 27 '23
You're still acting like that's a universally accepted fact, and it's not. Sorry. I WAS referencing the meme and white Jesus not applying. God damn yall just angry Christians or what?
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u/Cam_26 Mar 27 '23
Dude the only angry one here are you. Jesus probably existed It's not a confirmed fact because he lived many years ago, but considering the impact his name has till today, him existing is more likely than him not existing. I am no cristian and I am not saying he is the son of god or anything, that's up to personal belief
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u/Pockets262 Mar 27 '23
Not the least bit angry. The impact of his name lasting so long is a control tactic. If you doubt that is how Christianity has been used historically, then idk what to tell you. The fact that religion borrows from many religions that predate it makes it reasonably doubtful that he ever existed. Using it to eradicate the pagans was a major purpose also.
But my original point, yet again, was white Jesus is not the same as white Obama.
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u/hdhagvrichvabd Mar 27 '23
just words on paper? do you want to see a photo or something?
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u/Pockets262 Mar 27 '23
OK I'll deviate from the point I was trying to stick to.
I believe it's more likely Jesus did not exist. He was not written about by people that actually "knew" him. The gospels have inconsistencies and were probably modified from their originals before they were "lost". And likely more times after that. Christianity has historically been used to eradicate other religions for the sake of power and control, the most anti Jesus thing you can do. The New Testament is the most unreliable book that people actually consider historical text. It's nonsense to anyone without blind faith.
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u/ZaniElandra Mar 27 '23
the only proof we have that julius ceasar existed is words on paper. you could say the same thing about literally any historical figure who existed before photography did
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u/Perfect-Fox1010 Mar 27 '23
The common consensus among historians is that he very likely existed, because of contemporary accounts.
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u/Pockets262 Mar 27 '23
Is that proof?
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u/Perfect-Fox1010 Mar 27 '23
No, there is no proof or the "truth" in history. It is based on discourse and agreement. Again, we are not discussing Jesus the son of god, but as a historical person.
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u/Pockets262 Mar 27 '23
You're not really arguing what I said. You do understand it is possible he did not exist as there is no definitive proof and many agree on that. The gospels aren't even consistent. Anyway my whole point originally was white Jesus isn't comparable to white Obama, MLK etc.
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u/McSkittlefarts Mar 27 '23
you can no prove anyone existed. in 200 years we will not be able to prove Obama was real, people could think all the video were deepfakes. you may not even be real right now, you can no prove any of this is even happening
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u/Pockets262 Mar 27 '23
So deep...
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u/McSkittlefarts Mar 27 '23
It is not being deep, it is just the truth and is as silly as what you said. but even tho silly, it is truth. There is not a single part of history or person that we can say was 100%.
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u/s1atra Mar 27 '23
We have the same proof of him existing as we do anyone else from that period. You can doubt his existence, sure, but you have to doubt the existence of literally any other human being from before a certain point in history, and that's just not practical is it?
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u/Pockets262 Mar 27 '23
I mean, we have the remains of pharaohs from way before his time, so, no, that's just plain incorrect.
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u/MyPythonObject Mar 27 '23 edited Mar 27 '23
You could say that about anyone that lived 2000 years ago.
Edit: point is ancient evidence in general can be unreliable.
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u/Pockets262 Mar 27 '23
You might wanna think that one over champ.
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u/Icy_Mousse_4144 Mar 27 '23
Ironic, you should take your own advice.
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u/Pockets262 Mar 27 '23
Yikes. Yall really think we don't have physical evidence of anyone existing more than 2k years ago? Wow.
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u/Icy_Mousse_4144 Mar 27 '23
I’m talking about your original comment.
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u/Pockets262 Mar 27 '23
Still doesn't make sense. My original comment was all facts. What's to rethink? Other dude said one of the stupidest things I've ever seen.
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u/Icy_Mousse_4144 Mar 27 '23
I didn’t say he was right, saying you should listen to your own advice.
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u/MyPythonObject Mar 27 '23
What proof do you have that Socrates existed? Probably just as reliable ad the evidence that Jesus existed.
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u/bemimu Mar 27 '23
Bro have you ever touched a history book? Whether you believe Jesus was the Son of God or not, he did exist and even atheist historians agree on that
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u/jamesgelliott Mar 26 '23
Mediterranean people are considered white.
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u/PlagueSnake Mar 27 '23
He's Hebrew from the middle east. Idk why this is even a discussion. We're not talking black here, but definitely not white.
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u/redditadminsRlazy Mar 27 '23
Ah yes, all of those "white" Moroccans and Egyptians...
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u/jamesgelliott Mar 27 '23
Yep, racially, they are white. Along with Italians, Greeks and southern Spanish people
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u/piratensendr Mar 27 '23
Jesus looked like an arab. And being "white" is defined however, Italians have been white for a very short time
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/10/12/opinion/columbus-day-italian-american-racism.html
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u/Aware_Frosting4080 Mar 27 '23
Oh well if an opinion article says something it must be true.
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u/Icy_Mousse_4144 Mar 27 '23
You can read the actual Bible. They describe Jesus as a darker skinned man with a curly hair.
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u/Michael_Afton1983 Mar 27 '23
how about this. in the bible, jesus is reffered to as dark.
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u/939Medic Mar 27 '23
That's literally the opposite of how he's described. He's a Nazarene. Nazarenes are described as being extremely pale
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u/Michael_Afton1983 Mar 27 '23
hes literally described as having skin of copper what are you on.
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u/Elegant-Ad2748 Mar 27 '23
Irs pretty common knowledge that Italians didn't used to be considered white. They were heavily discriminated against and otherized in this country by white people.
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u/SuccMachineXd Mar 27 '23
That point is moot since jesus is depicted as having white skin instead of brown. Whether he is "technically" white or not is irrelevant, the main point still stands.
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u/Xunnamius Mar 27 '23
Mediterranean people are Mediterranean. "white" is a race, a color, a socially constructed system of control, a modern identity with borders that ebb and flow in line with feelings of white insecurity (which is how people "become white"). It is not a place. "whiteness" and race more generally has no basis in geography, science, or logic. You can be any race and be from a place or have citizenship in a country.
This is elementary stuff.
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u/Plastic-Ad-5324 Mar 27 '23
According to the US census, being from a middle eastern country, no matter how dark your skin is, means you are white and caucasian. On federal job applications, you are white and caucasian.
Jesus was by modern US definitions white and Caucasian.
(Source: Am Arab)
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u/InfernoEmberZ Mar 27 '23
Ok but take this into the context of the discussion. They were talking about appearance, and how artists usually paint him light skinned despite the fact that his skin was most likely brown
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u/Hatereddit_1 Mar 27 '23
Reason for this was a supreme court case where a bunch of middle easterners argued for the right to vote by basically saying "you say Jesus was white, and we're the same race as Jesus, so we must also be white"
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u/zeldanar Mar 27 '23
Irony: America HAS done this and for a while. Did it for Asian and Native Americans too. Often with skintone makeup
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u/Big_Feed9729 Mar 26 '23
Because Ariel from the little mermaid is totally equivalent to real historical figures lol
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u/Radiant_Bed_6155 Mar 26 '23
*Coughs in Ana Bolena from HBO*
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u/BrianTheReckless Mar 27 '23
True but I think they learned their lesson with that one. I would hope at least, the reviews are terrible.
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u/Toinousse Mar 27 '23
There is nothing realistic of historic about Bridgerton.
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u/Fantastic_Recover701 Mar 27 '23
the plot is also a fabrication
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u/Fantastic_Recover701 Mar 27 '23 edited Mar 27 '23
you second sentence is completely false. Bridgeton takes place in 1811 to 1820 there were a lot of non whites in England at the time. last paragraph is false the portugese were in contact with japan in the 16th century(1500s)
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u/RoiDrannoc Mar 27 '23
It's a uchronia in which George III married a black women, which led the UK to accept many black people. You can think that it's unrealistic, or dumb, but you can't say "it's not historicall accurate", because it's kinda the point
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u/Aniamaja Mar 27 '23
I'm pretty sure it's based on a Danish myth or story or something
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u/Mr_Paper Mar 27 '23
Yep, old fairy tale from 1800's.
Source: am Danish and school teachers loved to have the writer and the stories in the curriculum, year after year.
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u/HornedBowler Mar 27 '23
Plus it's the Disney version. If you watch the original animated version you can tell it's not set in Europe as Flounder the tropical fish isnt native to Danish waters. It's set in the Caribbean and native peoples there arent white.
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u/norealmx Mar 27 '23
"Myth"... so the mermaid could be any color, even purple with yellow dots....
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u/Aniamaja Mar 27 '23
Yes, the story of a mermaid hundreds of years old in DENMARK was obviously about a sub-saharan black mermaid, and not about a mermaid that looked Danish.
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u/AbyssWankerArtorias Mar 27 '23
Here's a quick guide:
Does the characters race have relevance to the story? Don't change it / cast a different race.
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u/SrImmortal Mar 27 '23
Recently movies about historical white people were played by blacks. Do you oppose this aswell since it has relevance to the story?
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u/AbyssWankerArtorias Mar 27 '23
Depends on the scenario. For example, the musical Hamilton I don't think is an issue because it's a musical. It's not intended to be historically accurate or an attempt to immerse you in a realistic retelling of history. You want the best singer for the role.
However if the movie Lincoln tried to have a black actor play Lincoln, it'd break the immersion because it is relevant that politicla power at that time was held by white people and a white president had to defy half the government.
I would like to add by the way to the latter situation that i wouldn't have a moral issue with it or be offended by it, i just think it's bad story telling.
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u/SrImmortal Mar 27 '23
Aha. Thanks for elaborating. I just wanted to see if your stance only applied in a certain direction (if you know what I mean). Nice to know that it doesn’t just apply to one race or skin color. Have a good one.
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u/Training-Accident-36 Mar 27 '23
You can absolutely change it. But then you also have to also adapt the story so it makes sense again.
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u/AbyssWankerArtorias Mar 27 '23
That's race washing. If you take the story about black panther and make it about a white person, you've white washed the character.
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u/Training-Accident-36 Mar 27 '23
Part of black panther is Wakanda being a super advanced secret civilization of an otherwise colonized and oppressed race, which decides to go into the open in order to support their surrounding countries.
This whole story arc of fighting against modern day slavery / terrorism in the jungle makes no sense with white characters.
The whole story arc of foreign aid to other poor African countries makes no sense with white characters.
The whole story arc of the diaspora of decendants of black slaves makes no sense with white characters. There goes the motivation and background story of the villain!
It would require a lot of fucking effort to do it, and it is probably impossible, as there is no white corresponding real world scenario.
However, if you wanted to just retell the story, you could create similar social and political conditions in a fantasy world. Systematic oppression, slavery, diaspora, poverty - these are all realities not just found in real world Africa, they can also be recreated in other cultural contexts.
You could retell Black Panther with white characters, it would just be a lot of effort and go "a bit" beyond casting Tom Cruise as a black woman.
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u/bemimu Mar 27 '23
Not really a made up argument, there is controversy about race swaps in movies
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u/AdEmergency3380 Mar 27 '23
The explanation I like best is that race isn’t fundamental to the characters being race swapped (Ariel doesn’t need to be white) but many of these characters need to be black. It’s fundamental. You can’t change their race without changing their story
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u/Plastic-Ad-5324 Mar 27 '23
Same is said for white characters but ok lol.
I don't know why the whole "black people have culture but white people don't" thing exists but it's a fuckin weird take.
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u/Squirrelfishing_Guru Mar 27 '23
You’re arguing different things here, probably intentionally. Changing the race of Ariel and tinker bell, fictional mythological characters, doesn’t matter. Changing the race of the first black president is just racism.
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u/Plastic-Ad-5324 Mar 27 '23
So got it, changing black Panther's race is fine. If it ever were to happen (lol, it won't), I expect your silence on the matter.
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u/LiamGovender02 Mar 27 '23
changing black Panther's race is fine
Black Panthers Race is integral to his story. Hence, you can't change it.
Most white characters' race is not integral to their story, so it can easily be changed.
It doesn't mean all white characters can have their race changed. There are some white characters whose race and heritage are integral to their story and hence can't be changed.
For example, Magneto. He's a Jewish Holocaust survivor. He very much needs to be white.
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u/Plastic-Ad-5324 Mar 27 '23
Black Panthers Race is integral to his story
Why? Besides being from Africa.
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u/LiamGovender02 Mar 27 '23
Wakanda is a country that was untouched by colonialism and remained isolated for hundreds of years.
The themes surrounding Blank Panther and Wakanda are about colonialism and the Black experience, so raceswapping them doesn't make sense.
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u/Plastic-Ad-5324 Mar 27 '23 edited Mar 27 '23
Atlantis is based underwater where mermaids wouldn't need pigment for protection from the sun but ok lol. Also based on danish kids stories.
Debating nonsense topics is fun.
Why are your justifications for skin color more valid than mine? Both are hypotheticals, both are fictional. Yet yours is "right" and mine is "wrong".
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u/simping4jesus Mar 27 '23
I thought Wakanda was fictional. Just move it to the northern hemisphere.
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u/Squirrelfishing_Guru Mar 27 '23
Jesus Christ, I know you’re racist but black people are in fact human, not mythological creatures.
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u/Plastic-Ad-5324 Mar 27 '23 edited Mar 27 '23
Again, just to confirm, you're saying it's ok to change Black Panther's race.
Also I'm not a Caucasian white male, so I am unable to be racist as it is about a "SyStEm Of DiScRiMiNaTiOn".
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u/Ordinary-Bobcat-247 Mar 27 '23
I guess Joan of Arc and Julius Caesar were fictional characters too, that’s why they were cast as black actors.
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u/Squirrelfishing_Guru Mar 27 '23
I had to do some digging to find out what you’re talking about and god damn, a five year old story about a theater troupe and a four year old story about a theatre troupe that cast everyone as black. Let’s go the other way and say that nuance and context are in fact real.
Side note but is being racist like a full time job for you people? And I’m honestly not sure why you’re upset about Cesar seeing as Italians weren’t even white until like 50 years when you guys wanted to boost your numbers
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u/WonderfulAd587 Mar 27 '23
why you’re upset about Cesar seeing
This seems a very America-centric kind of statement but even in that context I don't think it's true, Italians were always considered white, while they may have faced some discrimination in the US while they were a large class of new immigrants, they usually were not excluded from "whites only" activities, groups, etc... And they have always been European, altho like most groups around the Meditetrranean have a small mixed component with other Mediterranean groups.
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u/Worth-Cauliflower-67 Mar 27 '23
It’s not racism, it’s stupidity. Just like how changing the race of one of America’s founding fathers isn’t racism, it’s stupidity.
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u/BadgerDC1 Mar 27 '23
No one is replacing white characters with black actors. That's why the meme is ridiculous.
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u/Fantastic_Recover701 Mar 27 '23
- from once upon a time fairy tales in the modern world + magic shit characters race is not integral to the character. Source character is complete fiction. Bit part
- couldn't find the images source. Race is not integral to the character/changes the character
- From fucking Marvel. Race is not integral to the character/changes the character. Source character is complete fiction. bit part
- Race is not integral to the character/changes the character. Source character is complete fiction. couldn't find the images source.
- Race is not integral to the character/changes the character. Source character is complete fiction. couldn't find the images source.
- Race is not integral to the character/changes the character. Source character is complete fiction. couldn't find the images source.
- Race is not integral to the character. Image is from A Play not film
- Race is not integral to the character/changes the character. Source character is complete fiction couldn't find the images source.
- Race is not integral to the character/changes the character. actress is extremely decorated and graduated from RADA
- Small indy fillm. Erkko Lyytinen(producer) got the idea for the film in Kenya from an Estonian producer Ken Saan. The screenplay was written by a Kenyan work group. Yle(Finnish Broadcasting Company) gave to scriptwriters the necessary facts. Directed by a kenyan and shot in Kenya
- from a one off tv movie in a miniseries. Race is not integral to the character/changes the character.
- couldn't find the images source. Race is not integral to the character/changes the character. Source character is complete fiction.
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u/Ordinary-Bobcat-247 Mar 27 '23
Judging by your logic, Mulan can also be cast by black actress since race is not integral to the character/changes the character. Do you agree?
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u/Fantastic_Recover701 Mar 27 '23
Mulan is about China and western perceptions of China. An ACTUAL comparison would beLando Calrissian from Star wars i would be completely fine race swaping him
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u/DreamOfDays Mar 27 '23
Race is very much integral to these characters because if you make them anything but white it makes no sense for them since, historically, they were white. Just like if we took every significant black figure from the last 200 years and made them all white.
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u/DavisLaurelAlt2 Mar 27 '23
Ariel, rings of power. I'm sure there's several more
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u/Squirrelfishing_Guru Mar 27 '23
Ariel is a mermaid and the addition of black elves and dwarves isn’t replacing.
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u/DavisLaurelAlt2 Mar 27 '23
Yes a white mermaid. I was talking about the black Aragorn, because I thought there was dark elves in Lord of Rings although I thought they looked more like a Drow from dnd.
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u/Moose_on_the_loose69 Mar 27 '23
The Witcher
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u/DavisLaurelAlt2 Mar 27 '23
Who got swapped in witcher? I haven't seen it.
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u/Moose_on_the_loose69 Mar 27 '23
One of the sorceresses, forget her name off the top of my head. Some friends of mine that are into it more/read the books said there was more swapping or character changes but that’s the one that comes to mind
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u/DavisLaurelAlt2 Mar 27 '23
😔I don't know why people still believe this isn't the media trying to drive a wedge in society. There are hundreds of amazing folk lore legends and historical figures for just about every race.
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u/Moose_on_the_loose69 Mar 27 '23
Honestly, and a lot of my black friends have said yeah it’s not the end of the world (which of course it isn’t) but it is still dumb and they’d rather have new cool stories and characters written specifically for the actor/race they’re playing. Ariel as an example, she was written as a white French mermaid. There was a show years ago where she had a friend that was black and deaf and people loved the character because she was unique, imagine that
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u/lostinthedigitalage Mar 27 '23
White republicans want more then anything to be oppressed. I’m starting to think it’s a kink.
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u/ASwimmingDoug Mar 27 '23
While obviously most of these are just frothing mouth racism, I personally think the Obama one with Christian bale is hilarious. I would watch that movie, idk how to explain it, it’s like surreal art, like that this is not a pipe painting. Can you just imagine Christian Bale doing a Barack Obama impersonation, for some reason it’s not as funny with Ryan gosling, but I guess with Bale, well it’s a laugh riot.
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u/ThePrimoFederalist Mar 27 '23
Given that very recently Ann Boleyn was played by a black actress, and Jarl Haakan, the last pagan king Norway, was played by a black woman (LOL), I really don’t think you want to go here.
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u/Fantastic_Recover701 Mar 27 '23
both of who lived over 500 years ago. while the op post were within the last century the oldest being 170 years ago
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Because MLK, Muhammad Ali, etc were real historical figures who were important to the civil rights movement.
Mermaids aren't real historical figures, and, being fictional, had no role in the civil rights movement, so they can be depicted with any skin color.
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u/patinum Mar 27 '23
I looked at this and thought someone was calling out the "anti-woke". Like look how ridiculous this is because obviously these don't make sense since these are based on true stories where being black was a major part of their journey.
Then I realized they think this is equivalent to wanting white mermaids.
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u/blusilvrpaladin Mar 27 '23
Whitewashing historical figures =/= Ariel the little mermaid being black.
Maybe if they paid attention to black history, they wouldn't be so damned stupid
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u/bemimu Mar 27 '23
Whoever made this original meme is missing the point where race is what plays a huge role in all of these movies. In the Little Mermaid, however, race doesn't matter. That's not to say that I appreciate Disney replacing existing white characters just to meet their diversity quota.
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u/Fragrant_Exercise_31 Mar 27 '23
When did black people replace real historically significant white characters?!
This is just comes off as angry at black people.
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u/KMRAAthicc Mar 27 '23
"the 16 year old mermaid in a sea shell bra must be WHITE" - some weird adult
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u/SplitEights Mar 27 '23
Ariel's father is King Triton, who is Poseidon's son, according to Greek history. Thus, Poseidon is Ariel's grandpa. That makes Hercules and Triton first cousins.
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u/2001camrydriver Mar 27 '23
obviously the difference is that these are not fictional characters.
but i’ll be damned if this isn’t funny. especially the ryan gosling as obama poster.
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u/ThePrimoFederalist Mar 27 '23
Frequently do it with historical characters. Ann Boleyn, the freaking last pagan king of the Vikings, etc
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u/yourdededone Mar 26 '23
Can't have it both ways. If one is ok, so is the other. Otherwise your just a hypocrite.
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u/BadgerDC1 Mar 27 '23
Agreed, you can't have it both ways. But the meme implies one way is happening by showing ridiculous fake examples of the other way. Basically, it triggers people against something that doesn't exist. And no, a fictitious mermaid (race irrelevant) played by a black actress is not the same as a white actor playing the role of a black slave.
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u/Viviaana Mar 27 '23
The fact that they immediately picked real people instead of characters shows they don't even know what to be mad about lol
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u/ceton33 Mar 26 '23
History showed that whitewashing and blackface was a very common thing. Just roll your eyes at all white Egyptians in old movies but mad that karma is making fantasy whatever the IP wishes.
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u/BazukaJane Mar 27 '23
We don't know what ancient Egyptians really looked like. So having them either black, white or asian-looking is not important.
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u/FreeJulianNow Mar 27 '23
Its always a bit odd to me that Obama is considered Black. He has a White mother, likely has no memories of his Black father, had a Chinese-Indonesian step-father, and was also partly raised by his White grandparents.
And in 8 years in the WH, what did he do for the Black community?
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u/Current-Professor176 Mar 27 '23
He's visibly black, is he not?
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u/FreeJulianNow Mar 27 '23
And this so not what matters does it?
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u/2023mustgo Mar 27 '23
Of course its what matters, he looks black so people will treat him as black, and he was impacted by the same systemic/institutional racism as any other black person. Racists don't care about your ancestry or your upbringing, just what colour your skin is.
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u/FreeJulianNow Mar 27 '23
Racists don't care about your ancestry or your upbringing, just what colour your skin is.
Yeah.
That's my point exactly.
Thanks.
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u/Ok-Imagination4568 Mar 27 '23
Ya, that's only helping the point of the meme. I don't think an Irishman should play Malcom X. But maaan, I'd sure get a chuckle out of it.
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u/RefrigeratorGrand619 Mar 27 '23
Christian Bale playing a person of color wouldn’t be a first considering he’s played one already (Moses in Exodus)
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u/DavisLaurelAlt2 Mar 27 '23
The meme is saying since were swapping famous white characters why not do the same for famous black characters?
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u/Scared-Giraffe-7906 Mar 27 '23
Christian Bale Obama slaps tho
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u/CTG0161 Mar 27 '23
He is definitely the kind of actor who would have expensive surgery to change his skin color for that part
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u/skyeisrude Mar 27 '23
My thing with is these are non fictional people as remakes are of fictional characters
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u/abhinav-21 Mar 27 '23
also christian bale can turn into an actual fucking black man if he asked to play obama so im fine that
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u/Ok-Blacksmith4364 Mar 27 '23
Fr question….has a black person ever been cast as a historical white person in a movie before?
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u/Top-Campaign4620 Mar 27 '23
We all know its a story, make believe, being OCD about one detail while ignoring all the others... Hard not to but honestly evertime something is cast poorly we are allready doing this on some levels. Bad casting doesn't completely destroy a story..
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u/HeroinLover1991 Mar 27 '23
seeing christian bale as obama in the image makes me wonder what american psycho would look like if obama played patrick bateman
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u/Hoosier_Ken Mar 27 '23
To me, this is about using actors of a different race than that of a real historical figure, Hamilton comes to mind. I can understand though that it might be about portraying a fictional character with an actor or character of a different race than originally used.
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